The lesson that I'm learning is to encourage other women of colour and other Black women to say, "You have got something to contribute. Your ideas are so valid. Your experience is so valid.
Carla Marie: Do you find that there's collaboration between the Black community in music? With women?
Michelle: No, I think there's a lack of it. Sometimes, it's really hard. Because the industry is male dominated, it's even hard to find the women. I think, sometimes, it's that idea of, 'Well, there can only be one, or, "There can only be two at a time.' So when there is one there, sometimes, they don't want to share that Michelle: Absolutely.
'I can innovate. I can inspire. I have the vision for songs and sounds, and I can tell you, from A to Z, what a song should sound like.'
The fact that we were a British colony, there is some synergy there, and that needs to be addressed. Organisations like PRS and PRSS, the British Council, all these companies now need to get behind giving full hours and doing cultural exchanges for women like us. Do you get what I mean?
Carla Marie: Yes. You know when you come to your family or you space with another woman. They are the things that we have to go to Jamaica, you're like, 'Yes, man. They are happy!
break down, because we're so much stronger together.
Carla Marie: Yes, that's the mentality that I've been searching for four years but I don't think I've got it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to say I'm the easiest person, but I'm just the way I am, because I've been battered in this thing, hard.
Sometimes, when women come, I'm like, 'We've got to work harder, you know. We haven't got time for excuses, because if we're going to really sit at these tables and really say we're adding value, then we've got to add value for real, not just because we're women and we're of colour.
Michelle: So how would you change it? How do you see it changing?
Carla Marie: If I'm being really honest, I've kind of semi given up on it, in terms of women of our age group or around our age group. I feel like that's a battle that is just going to have to figure itself out. You see how you and me are talking now. I've known of you forever, and you've probably known of me, but we've just never found our way into conversation. But we have now. It's like, 'Actually, do you know what? I've been knowing her. She's from where I'm from. She knows my people. It becomes natural.
But what I am working on is the younger girls. That's why I do the girls 16 to 30, so I've got the GIR Black girls. We have Zoom calls, and I'm re-educating them, and I encourage them to do link-ups and meet up in groups, have conversations. I feel like it's the future generation that I can help to change their mentality and the way they look at working with each other.
Michelle: Where will Girls I Rate be in five years?'
Carla Marie: I want to take it to an international scale. To push Black girls who were like me forward. I became a Keychange ambassador, because I believe that there should be change in festivals, within radio, and mentorship, especially for Black women. I'm trying to now say, 'We want this in a global scale, within the Caribbean, within Africa, in places where our culture and music exists. But women still are the minority, even there! Also, I feel like, for Black women who from the UK diaspora, when we come home, we're different, and we feel different. We feel empowered and we feel loved.
Imagine doing music where you're from, where your family is from. You've worked with Liberty X and I've worked with Girls
Aloud. But that's not our music. I used to come home and my mum's saying to me, 'What kind of music do they have you writing down here?
Now, if I can give myself and other people opportunities to write music that we listen to in our homes and on our radios, and we don't feel like we just have to write music in white spaces, for white spaces, that's where I'm at right now. I know, when I speak to these young girls, they're so gassed about even thinking that it's okay. It's got better in the UK, obviously, with the afro scene and whatever, but it's still male dominated, and the girls are still few and far between.
Michelle: So, what's the biggest lesson that you've learnt on your journey so far?
Carla Marie: I feel like my biggest lesson and one of my biggest breaks was, when we wrote Runnin, we didn't write it for anyone. I wasn't trying to pitch; I just wrote a song that was with my friend, and we wrote it about us. It was heard by the powers that be, and then it ended up with Beyoncé. Not always trying to chase, but going away and creating things you love, that can get you to places that you love.
Michelle: I hear you. Alright, last question: what do you want your legacy to be, Carla Marie Williams?
Carla Marie: Oh my God. Okay, my pinnacle is, obviously, music. I want to be known to be a writer and a producer. I'm a backseat producer though, I don't think I'm going to touch buttons any time soon. But I definitely know what I like. I can innovate. I can inspire. I have the vision for songs and sounds, and I can tell you, from A to Z, what a song should sound like.
Alongside that, social changes. I want to be known as someone who was always pushing for social changes for women, especially, Black women, like me. I had Black people, but they weren't my mentors. All my mentors were white men. All my opportunities came from white men. So I'm happy, here, that I look like some of the girls who are like, 'If you did it, I can do it' That's what I love, being that person.