Keith Harris OBE is the epitome of an unsung hero.
He won't register high on Google searches, but has fingerprints on some of the most influential moments in Black music history; developing the biggest names in Motown, overcoming racism within the industry that sought to keep Black faces from positions of authority, building a framework for talented Black British artists shut out of the mainstream, creating a music degree at The University of Westminster for youngsters seeking a way into the industry, and working with PPL to make sure all artists are properly paid.
A dreamer from Wigan who became general manager of Motown Records, Harris went on to manage Stevie Wonder, Junior Giscombe, Omar and the late Lynden David Hall.
20 minutes easily became 80 in the company of this humble, affable man, who mentions luck so many times it's clear he doesn't see himself as a hero. It's the only time we disagree.
Mo: You dabbled in music as a teenager in Wigan, but how important were those first experiences of working with artists and building industry relationships at university in Dundee?
Keith: I'd been fascinated by the world of pop music since the age of nine or 10. I'd realised by the time I was 20 that I didn't have the talent to make it, so I needed to find another way into the business. Becoming entertainment convenor in Dundee was perfect, as in those days the university circuit was very important for bands.
I would regularly book bands like Yes, Supertramp and Thin Lizzy, who all went on to global success. Many people doing my job at unis around the country used it as an entry point into the music business, like (Dire Straits manager) Ed Bicknell and (Live Aid promoter] Harvey Goldsmith. MS: After a year in Radio promotions for Transatlantic records, you were given the chance to work for Motown. KH: Transatlantic was a great learning curve. They had an eclectic mix of artists which matched my own tastes, and it was at the embryonic stage of commercial radio, so it was all new and exciting.
Despite a successful year, it was made clear to me that there was no chance for progression, so I walked down the road to EMI. I spoke to the general manager of their Motown arm, who was impressed enough to offer me a job. Almost as an afterthought he said, 'You should probably meet the people at Motown International, they're based in London'. I had what I thought was a great chat with Ken East, handed in my notice at Transatlantic and went on holiday for two weeks. When I returned, the Motown job was no longer available. I heard much later from others within the company that Ken East had made it known that he didn't want a black man working at Motown.
Mo: At Motown? Even considering the more overt racism of that era, that's still shocking. How did you react? Keith: What could I do? There was nothing I could say that would change their mind. They found me a position working for other subsidiaries, and I got my head down. I developed a reputation as someone with good connections at Radio 1, which led to me working on Elton John's promo campaign for Blue Moves. At the launch party, I happened to get into a conversation with Ken East's wife, who found me a charming young man. Lo and behold the next day I was told he'd 'made a mistake' and got moved to Motown.
Mo: While at Motown, you promoted some of the biggest artists of all time: Marvin Gaye, Diana Ross, Smokey Robinson, The Commodores, and of course Stevie Wonder. Things are great, until the position of general manager comes up...
Keith: The managing director called me into his office and told me not to bother applying. Despite the fact that 'some would say you are the natural choice'. He said I didn't have the experience, which was true. A month later, he offered me the job, as they hadn't found anyone else. Three months into the job, I'm called in again. 'We've found someone to take over (a white man), but he's not got much experience as a general manager. Can you help