Sprawl #3 176 x 246 mm, 48 pages Sprawl is a new Nottingham-based indie mag dedicated to DIY subcultures, music and art. Available both online and in print, and taking inspiration from the scrappy punk fanzines of the late 70s and early 80s, inside you’ll primarily find conversations with scenesters old and new. After hours photographer Mischa Haller sets the tone of this third issue, which features a shot from his recently published photobook ‘Not Going Home’—an ode to 90s club culture—on the cover. Inside, he reflects on his early career, the evolution of the dance floor following seismic shocks such as the collapse of communism and 9/11, as well as what remains once the lights go up. Also featured: Sonic Youth guitarist and vocalist Lee Ranaldo, English rock band Ulrika Spacek, graphic artists Steph Dutton and Imarni Boyer-Nugent, Canadian collective Crack Cloud, and more. Words: MagCulture
When Sonic Youth formed in 1981, you were drawing from punk, minimalism, free jazz and composers like John Cage, yet you've said you didn't initially realise how 'freaky' the music sounded to audiences. Was there a moment when you recognised that you weren't just part of a scene, but articulating something that didn't yet have a precedent?
Lee: Well, outside of New York, none of that stuff really had a precedent. It just so happened that we came up alongside bands like Swans, Rat at Rat R, Live Skull and a bunch of others. We were a little younger than Glenn and Rhys and people like that, but for some reason Sonic Youth had some early opportunities to take our music outside New York. Before most of those other bands, we just put together a couple of small tours in, like, 1982.
We went out to the Midwest. We played this kind of gig that paid good money at the Walker Art Center in Minneapolis, and then we went down to Atlanta on a separate tour. Us and Swans did those two tours before any of our friends were getting out of New York at all. We were just like, 'Let's go on tour!' We were kind of inspired by the bands from the West Coast and DC in the hardcore movement, like Minor Threat and Black Flag and Minutemen. They were putting their own tours together just by sending postcards to friends saying, 'Is there some place in your town we can play?' So we kind of took a page from that and just started doing these tours.
After I'd been in Glenn's band for a year, we went to Europe, toured the US and then were going back to Europe. By then Glenn had expanded the line-up and added Thurston, and Sonic Youth had already started. On that European tour in 1983, we asked promoters whether our own band could come back the next month. Kim and Bob Bert flew over and we played our first European tour. Seeing those audience reactions made us realise that what felt normal in New York was, elsewhere, genuinely radical.
Branca also launched a label and invited Sonic Youth to be its first release. What did you absorb from him about authorship and the importance of building your own infrastructure?
Lee: The main thing I would say is that back then there really weren't indie labels or anything like that. There was nowhere for bands like us to record. You weren't going to get signed to Warner Brothers or whoever. There was literally no place to get your music out. In England, you had the weekly music papers hunting for the latest thing, but there was nothing like that here apart from a network of hardcore fanzines. Rolling Stone wasn't covering it or anything like that.
Glenn found a backer in a guy named Josh Bayer. In Neutral Records, Josh put up the money and Glenn chose the artists. When Glenn decided to start his own label, it was kind of done in that tradition of artists disseminating their own work. There were a couple of small artist- run labels doing something similar, but nobody was really doing it with rock-based music. Glenn was, in a way, one of the first to do something like that.
I mean, he'd been on one of the first indie labels in New York, 99 Records. That's who put out his early records, essentially - the one I was on. So he kind of picked up that baton and was just like, 'I'm going to make my own label and release all this radical stuff', because he was excited by what he was seeing around him in New York. Thurston and I were in his band at that point, and he was already friendly with Kim, and I think he had a great respect for the three of us. To us, we were kind of floored when he asked us to be the first record.
It was within about six months of starting the band. We played for four or five months, the three of us, just as a trio without a drummer. It was just bashing on stuff and making noise and singing. Then we found our first drummer, Richard Edson, maybe five or six months in, and I think we started in July or August of '81 and Richard joined us in, like, November or December.
In December we played this small festival there, and Glenn saw us. It was right after that that he said he was impressed. He was just like, 'I want you guys to be the first record on the label!' and it kind of blew us away, which was really cool.
They had the money to send us to this studio in Midtown called Radio City Recording, or whatever the exact name was, and it was this big, fancy room where you could have fit a 50-piece orchestra. We only had two days there, basically one to record and one to mix five songs, but within six months of forming we had a record and were working in this really prestigious studio.
So a lot happened pretty quickly for us.
/ Lee Ranaldo