Sprawl #3 176 x 246 mm, 48 pages Sprawl is a new Nottingham-based indie mag dedicated to DIY subcultures, music and art. Available both online and in print, and taking inspiration from the scrappy punk fanzines of the late 70s and early 80s, inside you’ll primarily find conversations with scenesters old and new. After hours photographer Mischa Haller sets the tone of this third issue, which features a shot from his recently published photobook ‘Not Going Home’—an ode to 90s club culture—on the cover. Inside, he reflects on his early career, the evolution of the dance floor following seismic shocks such as the collapse of communism and 9/11, as well as what remains once the lights go up. Also featured: Sonic Youth guitarist and vocalist Lee Ranaldo, English rock band Ulrika Spacek, graphic artists Steph Dutton and Imarni Boyer-Nugent, Canadian collective Crack Cloud, and more. Words: MagCulture
You've said, 'The greatest fulfilment hasn't come from a particular record or accolade but from simply continuing the path you began in your youth.' In a culture that often demands either constant reinvention or nostalgic repetition, what has remained intact in you since those downtown years, and what have you had to relinquish in order to keep evolving?
Lee: I think a lot of the same spirit that animated us when we started is still there. It was basically: 'OK, I'm not really a skilled person. I'm not a skilled musician, certainly. Maybe I'm not a skilled painter, or whatever it is. But I want to do this, and I feel like I have something to say.' I don't think that's changed very much. Along the way with Sonic Youth, we got more skilled at what we were doing, especially through working with open tunings, and we got deeper into the vision we had. That really sustained us.
We had a song on one of the later records called 'Radical Adults Lick Godhead Style', and the idea behind it was that the people who meant the most to us were artists with these long careers people who didn't stop when they got famous at 20, or 30, or 40. Their whole life was dedicated to the process of what they were doing. They weren't there for the fame or the money. And after they got those things, they just kept going, because that was why they were there. So we looked at people like Neil Young, Yoko, and painters like Picasso and Matisse. They were successful early on, but they didn't stop.
A lot of times in music and we saw this with plenty of English bands people would have one big hit and then spend the rest of their career trying to match it. Because we didn't have that kind of pressure, our career could follow its own trajectory. We could bring in Jim O'Rourke, become a quintet, then shift again. We were never boxed in by trying to recreate one peak.
When we did interviews, we were always more interested in talking about what was exciting to us: Dinosaur Jr., Pavement, Beck, a film, a book, a painter. Our vision was one of inclusion. We always wanted to expand the field of vision rather than narrow it, to bring more people into what we were about.
Most bands are pretty self-centred in interviews, which is understandable, but part of what made us who we were was that New York period, when everyone was exchanging ideas. We wanted to bring bands we loved on tour, watch people who were blowing us away, and widen the circle rather than close it. That was always a big part of what mattered to us: from punk bands to big stars, from Neil Young to young artists just getting started, it all felt like part of the same invitation. Bring more people to the party.
When we first toured Europe and beyond, people expected us to be dark, wasted, dangerous people because of songs like 'Death Valley '69'. But what we found was that a lot of people living those genuinely strung-out lives weren't actually making the most interesting art. We wanted to keep the radical energy in the work, not in the lifestyle.
We wanted to live in nice places. We all raised children and called our moms on Sundays, or whatever it was. We wanted to keep all the radical elements in the art, and not try to make life itself radical. A lot of the people we saw doing that weren't making the most interesting art. In a way, it often seemed more pedestrian.
And we wanted the art to be raging and radical and furious and beautiful and everything else, and our daily lives to be like, food in the fridge, you know? Our dressing rooms on those tours and in those cabins were always the wholesome places, where people weren't out of their minds and staring into the corner or whatever. We were playing Scrabble or listening to the latest records we'd bought that day, things like that. We spent our days going to bookshops and record shops and museums in every city in the world. That was what we wanted to do.
In Conversation / Lee Ranaldo
We always wanted to expand the field of vision rather than narrow it.
How did you bet on yourself? At what point did you think, 'I'm going to do this. This is something I want to live by'?
Lee: I studied art and cinema at college. Once the New Wave stuff started happening, I immediately started playing music again with people and literally moved to New York, because I was in my first band and that's how Thurston and I met. We were both there with our first bands his was called the Coachmen and mine was called the Flux · and we moved there to try to get some gigs and play at CBGB and Max's. I had a degree in my back pocket, but it didn't seem to mean anything.
I don't know how much we really thought of it as betting on ourselves. We got a cheap place to live and started hanging out, not really thinking about anything in terms of career or, 'How am I going to support myself, or have a family?', or any of that stuff.
There was so much going on that it completely occupied you. Some friends I'd played music with got scared of that unknown life and took straight jobs, and years later they'd say, 'Man, I wish I could have done what you did.' But we weren't really thinking in terms of career. We were just thinking, 'How can I be creative?'
There'll always be people who want to be artists and can't live under a boss for forty hours a week. We had jobs early on, but they were only there to pay the rent. As soon as we made even a little money from music, we quit and decided this was what we were going to do. And it just snowballed from there.
Words: Ria Serena