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You've explored the darker side of national identity on both records. Can you guys ever see an acceptable form of patriotism or nationalism or a positive form of it at all?
Robbie: It's just really hard to feel proud to be English, isn't it? And I think that's another problem in itself, really, isn't it? Because we are very lucky to live in this country, rather than somewhere else.
I don't think I ever feel patriotic, but then you see things and you go, "God, that is pretty good!" If you go to London and see the sort of communities they've got there, where it's just completely normal that people from anywhere in the world can go to London and they fit in. That's amazing. But yeah, it's tricky, isn't it? Because there's just, so much bad stuff that comes around from nationalism.
Kingsley: It depends on what you define as patriotism.
It's just so fucking grim. Any Prime Minister now-whether it's Johnson, Sunak, Truss, Starmer, or whoever it doesn't fucking matter which side of the line they're on, they still have to be flanked by Union Jack flags. Everything has to be thrown in your face. It's just marketing. People have done studies on this shit. Everything has to be polarised now. You can't have a nuanced take or debate. You have to have one thing that's bad and one thing that's good. If you're truly patriotic, you've got to have a Union Jack flag planted in your garden.
I can't stand nationalism. Obviously, I can't stand nationalism. I can't stand patriotism. It doesn't mean shit to me. I don't give a fuck. You are lucky, in a way. You are a chemical accident that happened to be born in a certain place at a certain time. That's all you are. You're a chemical reaction. It doesn't fucking matter. Like, borders don't exist. They don't exist, apart from on a map. It's so stupid. I HATE the whole concept of it.
"It doesn't fucking matter which side of the line they're on, they still have to be flanked by Union Jack flags. Everything has to be thrown in your face. It's just marketing". -Kingsley words: Jimi Arundell
Constant Noise is a real confessional record. Do you ever worry about revealing too much of yourselves through your music?
Kingsley: Just as much as anyone else. Surely everyone who puts something out there does that anyway. I don't think we're revealing anything. It's just about honesty and decency. That's all it is. It's not about anything else.
Robbie: I think it's also that thing where you don't want to lose the opportunity to do it because you're afraid that some people might not like it, or they might end up laughing at you. You've got the opportunity to create art, and then you dumb it down because you're embarrassed by it, because at some point you'll be lying on your deathbed and you'll be thinking, "I could have written a load of really good albums, but I was just a bit worried that someone who I don't even know or like has decided that it's shit." You'd might as well just get on and do it anyway.
I think that's one of the benefits of getting older is you start to learn that nothing really matters, what people say on the internet. And if someone's got a Google alert set up, ready, that means they're always going to be the first person to comment on our YouTube videos saying that it's shit, it's fine, who cares? It doesn't have to ruin your day.
Last year saw you complete a European tour where we caught you at Left Of The Dial Festival. Did you have to tailor your sets to be less orientated around English and more about the music?
Kingsley: There's nothing tailored about our sets, Jimi. Christ!
Europe's class. It's amazing. Rotterdam, that festival, is a little bit different because, obviously, there is quite a big British contingent in the audience, so it's maybe a little bit warped. But we absolutely love playing abroad. Over here, what tends to happen is this political band nonsense that we always get, where people will turn up to the gig, stand, and fold up their arms and think, "Yeah, I agree with this politically," instead of getting into the music.
It's fine, I get it, but over there, they may well agree with us in a political sense, because they're kind of fiery over in Europe-I don't know if you've noticed, they're quite the opinionated little madams-but they also tend to just get into it more and fucking go for it. They don't get overly hung up on the "Ah, political music! I need to sit back and listen to it in a considered manner."
Robbie: They seem less self-conscious. Which is a sweeping generalisation. But when we were in Italy, they understood the lyrics to the songs, and we had an amazing, beautiful connection with the people at that festival. It was in the middle of nowhere, far from airports, in the countryside, and had this incredible festival put on by a group of proper anti-fascists. It didn't even have security or anything. Getting to go to places like that is pretty cool. Plus, you can eat pizza for free!
How do you recall the sheer length of lyrics and are there any times you think "Shit! My mind has gone blank".
Kingsley: Yeah! My mind has gone blank numerous times during this interview! Sometimes I have to rely on muscle memory. I don't necessarily revise them, I just hope for the best. Others, I've got little trigger notes written around my keyboard and stuff, as there's certain points I know I'm gonna forget. A word scribbled here and there, so I know that's the first line of the second verse of this song.
Some of the songs from the next one, obviously we've not played too much, so they're going to be interesting live. My memory's shit. I haven't resorted to making it up yet, but at some point, that might happen. By the third album, we'll just have one- word choruses. No big lyrics. Just confrontational single words shouted loudly, and a single button on the keyboard to hit.