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"T'll look back on the 90s or the early noughties and remember Britpop being this explosion of freedom, youth, colour, vibrancy and creativity. But forget about all the misogyny." -Kingsley
With this album, it sounds very 90s-centric. Particularly the dance music and the club scene at the time. Where did that come from?
Kingsley: It's an intentional nod, but I don't think it's a completely '90s thing. I don't think you could have picked it up after buying fucking Be Here Now or something. A lot of the lyrical themes on it are to do with reminiscence, to do with looking back. Nails was about how the right-wing romanticised the past of Britain-when it was jumpers for goalposts and no foreigners. Whereas this is kind of different. This is about how pretty much anyone romanticises their own past. We're all guilty of it. I'll look back on the '90s or the early noughties and remember Britpop being this explosion of freedom, youth, colour, vibrancy, and creativity-but forget about all the misogyny.
I've got stacks of NMEs from the early noughties and late '90s. The interviews are really revealing-like, terrifying what these usually young, white, lad bands said. It's all homophobia and sexism. Certainly, how they treated women and girls. It's fucking sickening. You forget about that.
You're totally right about that. If women were ever spoken about during Britpop, they were referred to as ladettes, they couldn't even be accepted as women. They always had to be in the male shadow somehow.
Constant Noise sees you team up with some great artists. You've got Zera Tønin of Arch Femmesis in there and Neil Cooper from Therapy? How did those collaborations come about?
Kingsley: They're just friends. We played with Arch Femmesis at the Rescue Rooms at the end of 2023. Zera came out it was all shadows and strobes-and she was wearing this white wedding dress veil thing. It started off as this sort of heavy, horrible techno, and she just gave out this awful scream. It was satanic-this otherworldly thing came out of her mouth. And it was just amazing. Absolutely incredible. I was just like, "How can we nick that?"
I was working on this song, Land of the Tyrants, and I think me and Robbie both liked it, but no one else liked it. Certainly, no one thought it was a single or even that it should go on the album. But hearing that was like, “Hold on, we could utilise something like that to take it to another level." Sometimes songs need either a hook or a motif or something special or weird to make them stand out. And that was the exact thing with this primal rage. Plus, it's nice having a female voice on it as well to counteract this white male monstrosity that's all over the record.
Neil from Therapy? has played drums for us. He's great. He's a nice friend. He bought a T-shirt from us via Bandcamp, which was how we first met. He's very loud.
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You've also teamed up with Peter Doherty for the single "Relentless". How did that come about and how much was he involved in the writing of that track?
Kingsley: (Laughs) Not a major deal. He'd heard us on BBC 6 Music doing some spoken word and decided that he liked it. A friend of mine, Jimmy, who runs a bar called Kubar, messaged me one afternoon saying, “Pete Doherty is here. Do you want to come and meet him? He keeps banging on about your band." And I was like, "Really?" So, I did.
He was frighteningly nice very tall, like a giant, like six foot fucking four or something. He was dead canny and said, "You know, we could do a collaboration." I was like, "Nah. Come on. You're like a huge superstar. That's never gonna happen." But this theme of reminiscence was starting to grow, and if we could get him to do something on this song, that would square the circle. We were writing about reminiscing on our past, and then, all of a sudden, this hero from your own past comes in and he's going to sing on your song.
Afterwards, we had to track him down and make the schedules match. Eventually, we cornered him at a gig he was five hours late for in Manchester. We tried doing it in this quiet, empty dressing room, but in the end, we had to do it in a room that was full of people, in a venue that was already packed, with a band playing in the next room. Not ideal. I wanted him to do something that he doesn't necessarily always do-almost like jazz scat over it. In the end, he just kind of rambled over it, but it was cool.
Do you feel unfettered from any expectations of what you "should" sound?
Kingsley: Even before lockdown, we were doing this fairly formulaic and traditional song-structured stuff in practice rooms and making a kind of noisy, IDLES-ish sound. It wasn't until I got this strange sense of freedom to write how I wanted to write that it clicked. You've kind of got to teach yourself not to give a fuck. We certainly never write to pander to an audience, be popular, or try to be careerists. We've had these accusations thrown at us, which always fucking baffled me. When a song like Flag started getting a bit of traction, people were saying, "You're jumping on the bandwagon!" I'm like, "What sort of fucking bandwagon is that?" It must be the shittest-looking bandwagon you could possibly think of to jump on.
I remember having a pep talk from Tom Robinson-the 2-4-6-8 BBC 6 guy. I messaged him, feeling a bit depressed. He got back to me with, "I'll give you a call, we'll have a chat." He gave me bits of advice on how to keep your mind active, be more creative, and write more. He was great, and on the back of that, I started writing without any lofty intention or formula. Just writing with freedom and not worrying that "I need two choruses, a middle eight, and something that will work for radio, and I can't swear here, so I'll have to put this in instead." Absolute nonsense.
Back in The Chapman Family years, we had success with the song Kids. It was on MTV, Radio 1, NME, and things like that, but once that waned, you really struggled. I remember our management going, "You need to write a song for Zane Lowe," and we were like, "What the fuck does that mean?" Then being in these practice rooms in Stockton, fucking full weekends, just sitting there. It played into everyone's brain. "What would Zane Lowe like?"