try something for the big screen, because it's just so powerful. The right image with the right music, it's the most powerful thing ever.
Stephanie: I really loved the cover of Smalltown Boy by Bronski Beat. What made you want to cover that song?
Kele: I actually covered it for my Instagram page, but I felt I hadn't done it justice. It was in my mind when we were recording the songs for the album, and last minute I worked something out. It took on a different meaning for me because it was during lockdown, and in the song the character is trying to escape his situation. I think there's an element of that idea of escaping the period that we're in right now that resonated with me. I was nervous about covering it but I heard from Jimmy [Sommerville] that he liked it so that was good.
Stephanie: Will there be The Waves Pt. 2?
Kele: Yes, there is. I don't want to talk too much about it because it's still in the ether right now, I'm still pulling bits of it out. With The Waves, there was very much a sense of wanting to make music to calm me, to take you away somewhere gently. But part two is going to be the opposite. It's about music to wake you up, to snap you out of it.
Stephanie: You wrote the music for Leave to Remain (2019), a musical that covered the topics of gay marriage and queer interracial relationships. Why did you want to tackle these subjects?
Kele: I wrote the music and Matt [Jones] wrote the dialogue, but I guess we had an initial idea together about two men who are about to get married, but one of them isn't quite so sure. We felt it was something that we understood. It wasn't like there was a decision to only intentionally talk about queer relationships. It was something that is part of us, so of course it was going to be queer.
Stephanie: In terms of queer representation in the media it does feel like things are at least starting to change. If so, does that give you hope for the future?
Kele: The one thing I remember talking about with Matt was that it was important for us to see two men in love and somebody not dying of AIDS, or for it to not feel tragic. I think for such a long time, the only depictions I saw of gay men in film and television seemed to be kind of laced with tragedy. Obviously, there's been a wave of brilliant queer television in the last few years. I'm all for more stories and more diverse depictions of the way people live.
Stephanie: It was amazing to see a multicultural group like Bloc Party in the early noughties but the environment you came up in is very different to that of today. Today it feels like there are a lot more Black indie artists. How does that feel for you to see the indie landscape now which seems more diverse?
Kele: I don't know, there were always people of colour in indie bands. When I was growing up you had Skin from Skunk Anansie and Sonya from Echobelly. I think there always are going to be people of colour that want to make alternative music, like Jimmy Hendrix through to Willow Smith. I saw something of hers recently and apparently, there's this new scene of alt. emo Black kids. That didn't really exist when I was younger.
'I think for such a long time, the only depictions I saw of gay men in film and television always seemed to be kind of laced with tragedy.'
Stephanie: It's more that the conversation around Black people who make alternative music seems to have changed from 'why are you here' to 'you should be here??
Kele: I don't know what they're asking Willow Smith in her interviews. I don't think I ever had anyone explicitly ask me, "why are you here?" I think it might have been in my head somewhat.
Stephanie: I remember reading the music press back then and it was a weird relationship.
Kele: Maybe there was a racial subtext to things that I wasn't aware of. Probably less so at the NME, but in places like Q magazine, from what I've been told from our press people, it was like a boys club. There would have been people that would have had a problem with me because of who I was, what I looked like, but it was never said explicitly. It might have manifested in them not taking me seriously. I think an element of that still exists now, but at the same time, I don't think it's healthy to be thinking about how you're being perceived. The only thing that you should be thinking about is what you're making.
Stephanie: You previously wrote that you felt your experiences of being Black and gay in the dance world were easier than in the indie scene. Why do you think that is and is that still the case? Kele: I don't know if I was more embraced by the dance community because of [my identity], but it felt more familiar because there was a precedent of Black and queer artists in that world, so maybe I didn't seem so alien.
Stephanie: The dance world seems a lot more expansive in terms genre and being able to explore.
Kele: I think indie music is still very much mired in this kind of history of the Beatles through to Oasis or Arctic Monkeys. It's just four white guys, and that's what people that are into indie music want, hence the kind of lack of reaction to what's happened with Morrissey's statements over the last few years. There have been artists like Billy Bragg coming out to condemn what he's saying but where has the reaction been from the rest of the community?
Stephanie: Is there any new Bloc Party material on the horizon? Kele: We had been writing for about two years and finalised the tracks that we were going to record and then the lockdown happened so we had to put it on hold. I can't say too much, but yeah, we're working again, so there should be something soon.