01_January 1978
Just what is a Tony Williams? Many of his admirers have described his style as "free", "he doesn't really play rudimental things", "he's loose", "there's something out of the ordinary about what he does", "it's different." If those descriptions don't tell you what a Tony Williams is, permit me to drop a few names on you: Alan Dawson, Herbie Hancock, Jackie
Mc- Laughlin, Larry Young and Miles Davis. Dawson was Anthony Williams' first teacher when Tony was nine, having moved to Boston from his native Chicago. Early gigs with Jackie McLean led him to the infamous Miles Davis Quintet of the early sixties, which included Herbie Hancock, Ron Carter and Wayne Shorter. John
McLaughlin was a Davis "muse", as was Larry Young; add Tony, and you had the first Lifetime, the threesomes group name from the title track of an album. There were other major jazz figures criss-crossing Tony's comet-like tail. When Columbia records had the idea of reuniting that famous Miles Davis group for a Newport Jazz Festival in New York in 1976, Tony, Herbie, Ron and Wayne made it, but fearless leader did not. Freddie Hubbard - probably the major trumpet voice on the scene at the moment replaced
Miles. The quintet dubbed V.S.O.P. (Very Special Onetime Performance) - was born. A double pocket LP came of the NJF gig; a reprise tour was organized and a second LP recorded. Now residing in the Bay area of San Francisco, Tony is currently in the studio polishing up the group he fronts in preparation for a new album. In the meantime, he tours for short spurts within a short radius of his home, "to give the group some work, and make them more self-assured when we get into the studio." The interview was done during a casual long distance hook-up between the coasts. It was an "I've got all afternoon" affair, with no ego infringements whatsoever.
W A L D : Let's start from right now, the new record and the new group. W I L L I A M S : We haven't gone into the studio yet. We've played some local dates around the coast. At the moment we have Gerry Mule and Mike Hoffman on guitars, Paul Potyen keyboards, and Mike Formanek, bass. We play some of the tunes from Million
Dollar Legs, some from the Believe It album; we're even playing one song from Ego. W A L D : Why the west coast as home base? W I L L I A M S : I'm on the west coast to enjoy it. It's a personal move, having lived in New York for fourteen years. I've never really lived anywhere else on TONY WILLIAMS by ARAN WALD my own. I lived at home until I was sixteen. New York was my first and only stop. It's not like I'm running away from New York; I love it. It's just that I thought it was time for a change. I chose San Francisco because it has seasons, and I like the changes. I always like changes. W A L D : You've been playing drums since you were . W I L L I A M S : Nine. W A L D : What was your first set of drums like? W I L L I A M S : An old Radio King set. It consisted of a very large bass drum, 28 or 30 inches, and a 16" tom that was mounted on the bass. It was a very old type of set, probably made in the early forties. There was also a snare and a hihat. The hi-hat cymbals were almost all bell. The bell used up more space than the flat section. They were only about 12 or 13 inches, with this huge bell - about nine inches. I got rid of those pretty quickly. WALD: When did you move up to the big time sets?
W I L L I A M S : I had the Radio Kings for about three years. My father had bought them for me. I got my first job at eleven or twelve years old, and it paid pretty well - for a kid. Thirty dollars for three nights work, and steady work, too. I saved twenty dollars of each weeks pay, and with the help of my mother, I bought my first Gretsch set. W A L D : The start of a long association, right? W I L L I A M S : Yes, right from the beginning. I was working at a club in Cambridge, Massachusetts and I bought a silver sparkle set, the exact same outfit that Max played. I haven't played anything other than Gretsch since. W A L D : Have you ever had formal lessons? WILLIAMS: After about four or five years on my own, I took lessons with Alan Dawson. Private lessons. I never did play in school because there were no musical facilities in my high school. Now, this was Boston in the late 50's, remember? Before the riots. The trouble there now due to busing - was even heavier then. Consequently, I didn't play in school. I'll tell you though; I played drums outside of school all the time. I left high school to play drums. I started playing around Boston and became house drummer with a trio. We'd work with the guest artists coming in from out of town; famous players. Jackie McLean came through, and he liked the way I played. He asked me to go to New York with him, and well, you know the rest. WALD: That must have been heavy training; cutting shows for all those people. WILLIAMS: Yes, it was rough. But you got to play for a lot of different acts. I guess it's somewhat like studio playing in that regard. W A L D : Who were you listening to in those years? WILLIAMS: I was listening to Miles, the Jazz Messengers, Trane, Rollins. WALD: All those Prestige and Blue Notes W I L L I A M S : .
and the Riversides. WALD: Did all those horn players have much of an influence on you? W I L L I A M S : Sure, of course. Miles was a big influence, years before I went with him. But I was also listening to classical music and living the life of a teenager, and that included the rock 'n' roll of the day. The Clovers, Drifters, Dion and the Belmonts. That was all going on in my regular life. WALD: What about drummers? W I L L I A M S : There was a lot going on at the time. You still had the bop drummers around; Roach, Blakey, Kenny Clarke, as well as the rock drummers with their heavy-handed beats. I first started listening to drummers around