02_April 1978
STRAIGHT AHEAD by Scott Kevin Fish time. No muffling on the outside head of the bass drum. Just a thin felt strip and a Gretsch bass drum tone control on the batter head. That's all I still use. SF:
No mufflers on your snare drum?
No mufflers. Tom-toms either. Everything is off, everything open. If I play a rock date where I gotta get that dry sound I throw my wallet or a date book on the drum head. When I used to smoke, I'd throw my pack of cigarettes down there. SF:
Would you do a studio rock date?
Oh sure, I'll do it if they let me do it the way I do it. But, not if they want me to sound like the latest hit record. I don't want to sound like Steve Gadd. To me, he's fine. I think he's one of the best. I've heard his work enough and I know he's probably the busiest studio drummer around, but he doesn't have to do all the things we had to do. He does all the stuff that's done in rock style, most of it. I can't stand that sound. I don't like the sound of Steve's drums at all because it's a rock sound. A dead sound. But, I think Steve does a helluva good job. SF:
I remember reading in the liner notes to a Jones-Lewis composition called Ahunk Ahunk, that you used stuffed drums for that "now sound." ML:
I used the studio bass drum — a stuffed drum — but I didn't take the front head off. I loosened my toms and I didn't take any heads off them either. I put the mufflers on. I used one of my Ludwig & Ludwig snares and I put my wallet on it. That was it. SF:
You're the only drummer I can think of still using calfskin heads. Do you use them on all your drums? ML:
No, just the top of the snare, and the bass drum batter. Plastic on the bottom. I've been doing that for years. I've tried plastic, but with brushes, none of them make it. Only calf. It's a little hard to use them in California. There's something about the weather out there that makes it pretty rough. I like it damp though, I prefer a little moisture in the head, not bone dry. Then they're too tight. SF:
How frequently do you have to tune them? ML:
Maybe twice a night. Sometimes it's perfectly alright when I sit down, and that's the way they stay all night. I don't like tight drumheads, but if a drummer likes a tight sound he can certainly get it with calf. But, he's got to remember that he'd better not leave it that way. The tighter you make a calf head, the more it stretches. The head will probably go dead a lot sooner than if you kept it medium. You have to remember to change tension at the end of the night. There's something about the feeling and sound of calf. Plastic doesn't feel right to me. Plastic heads on the toms are alright. I'm not thrilled with the sound, but I don't have time to mess with them. You hit the toms so hard and get all those dents in them, that gives you an idea of why it's basically dangerous to use calf on tom-toms. I don't hit a snare drum as hard as I hit a tom for some reason or another. When I want volume from a snare, it's usually with a rim shot. SF:
Do you tune your drums in any specific way? ML:
The tuning of my drums isn't exact. As long as the sound is right, I don't care. I start out trying to be exact but it never ends up that way. I don't always have time to finish tuning, so sometimes everything is sitting there a little crooked. Nothing's perfect, but I get my sound. I strive for a full sound. I try to make my drums sound like a fat sounding trumpet. I like to get a big sound. SF:
Are you still using the Gretsch wooden snare? ML:
I use mostly wood, but I own a couple of metal snare drums built back around 1928. I have a Leedy & Ludwig, and a Ludwig
Ludwig. They were the best snare drums ever made. SF:
Have you used them on any of your recordings? ML:
I used them on the vocal albums where I played a lot of back beats, and on the Central Park North album. On all the other live albums I've used the wooden snare. I'm going to start using the metal snares live with the band, because the snare drums aren't coming off too good today. I've been using Gretsch drums for thirtyone years and I'll be using them another thirty-one years — if I'm playing that long — but they're gonna have to get something going on the snare drums. As far as I'm concerned there isn't anybody putting out a good snare. They all sound like boxes — wooden or metal. I still prefer the Gretsch wooden snare drum, but I'm unhappy with some of the workmanship. I'm using calfheads and I'm not getting a fit. They're only worrying about plastic heads. In the old days we all played calfskin and never had those troubles. Why should there be trouble now? We used to tuck the heads ourselves. Some of us did lousy jobs but they still worked. The drum still sounded. Why should it be any different today? The strainers were better too. I think they all make rotten strainers today, all of them. A strainer has a lot to do with the sound of a drum. SF:
You once made reference to your playing as being strong, but not loud. Can you explain the difference? ML:
What counts is the intensity. Volume doesn't mean a damm thing. There's a volume you can play at that's sensible. To me, piano to mezzo forte is enough volume for normal playing in a big continued on page 31