02_April 1978
The Thad Jones-Mel Lewis Orchestra has been going strong for some thirteen years now, consistant poll winners, and the hit of almost every jazz festival they perform at. All the more reason for my shock when drummer co-leader Mel Lewis informed me that, "there haven't been any profits yet; the profits have all been in the music making — and in the fun and pleasure." Spending the better part of an afternoon at his plush New York City apartment, we listened first to a tape of the 1955 Stan Kenton band, the vehicle which brought the distinctive Mel Lewis brand of drumming to the attention of all who respect and admire him today. Later we listened to a Jones-Lewis Orchestra concert taped live a short time ago in France. In this relaxed and cordial atmosphere, we settled back for an afternoon of conversation where Mel spoke openly about drumming, and about the state of the art to which he's dedicated practically all of his adult life. Later — in transcribing his comments — I realized that some of what Mel said could easily be misinterpreted as egotistical. Not so. To know thyself is a virtue, and Mel Lewis might very well be the most honest person I've ever met. He spoke as an artist dedicated to "pure jazz,"
with the Kenton band, and this is not to MEL LEWIS with its roots firmly imbedded in bop. His style of playing hasn't changed all that much since he first gained recognition slight him. It's just that Mel Lewis has been an excellent drummerfor a long time.
During the fifties and sixties you were one of the most in demand studio drummers in New York. Do you still do much studio work?
What sort of knowledge did a studio drummer have to have in those years? ML:
I do very little studio work now. I guess it's a combination of my own doing, and of the changeover. I've been sort of phased out of the studio's because of style. The average studio drummer today is basically a rock drummer, and most of them don't know how to do a damm thing. I'm not a rock drummer although frankly — I think I play better rock than the whole lot of them. But it's not legitimate what they call the "real rock." I think I play it better and with more feeling. I'm not a pounder and I'm not a cymbal breaker. When I was really heavy into studio work, I'll have to admit the music was pretty damm good and a lot of good writers were involved. I'd perform in a studio daily with anywhere from two guys, to one-hundred piece symphony orchestras. The music was good, and it was challenging. A studio drummer had to know everything. You have to be a good reader, and you had to have good time, or tempo actually, because time to me is really "feeling." When I was doing jingles they didn't use click tracks. I had a secret, a way of playing with a click track where I wouldn't sound metronomic. The secret was not to play with the track, but play around it. Keep it relative but don't keep it exact, otherwise you sound like a metronome. You needed a knowledge of all styles of music. In the course of one day you'd be playing ragtime, or music from the twenties and thirties. You had to know the Goodman style of swing, and early Basie. You had to know how to play a show. You had to know Dixieland, and in my case, I was called upon to play avant-garde and bop which is my main thing. That's where my roots are and that's where my heart is. To me, bop is the most complex music of all. SF:
How did you learn all of those styles of drumming? ML:
Ears. By listening to bands on records and in person, and I never slighted anyone. When I first came to New York in the forties, my evenings weren't all spent at the Royal Roost listening to Max, Kenny Clarke and Shelly Manne. I made sure I heard Sid Catlett, Cozy Cole, George Wettling and Morey Feld. I listened to them all. My father was my first influence. He was a pit drummer, a show drummer, and also a good wedding and bar mitzvah drummer. I knew his style backwards. He could read anything and he had excellent time. Bill Robinson (Mr. Bojangles) was crazy about his feel. He was also a very tasty drummer, and I think I was blessed with his time and taste. My favorite drummers in the thirties were Gene Krupa and Jo Jones. Max made a big impression on me in the forties, and then it was Roy Haynes. I heard Roy talking about things in the forties that Elvin was talking about later. Roy was one of the first "out" drummers. I was lucky enough to be in what was considered a famous Kenton band between 1954-55. Critics and jazz fans alike say that was probably the most swinging band he ever had. That's where I made my name. I was with a slew of commercial dance bands prior to that. I've been playing with big bands since I was thirteen or fourteen years old. SF:
What's your opinion of stuffing drums for recording purposes, and the trend towards making all studio drummers sound alike? ML:
Actually, you hear a drummer playing on his drums, but the sound you hear is the engineers. I'm against all that. No engineer is going to do that to me. You get my sound or forget it, man. I will not take my front head off. I won't stick something in there. Both heads all the