04_October 1978
I t h i n k multiple drum set-ups would probably be a lot of fun to do, but I'm not in a situation where I have to do it. Perhaps as a leader I would, but there's not much call for it in the studio. AW:
Is there a certain stick you use regularly? SG:
I'm using a Gretsch-Jo Jones model wood stick. They come in a couple of different sizes and they're very good for most of the things I do. I think I'm going to start using a longer stick. When you play loud you have a tendency to move back on the stick. I f you play loud and you keep moving back, the stick becomes hard to hang on to. A W :
With your schedule, do you ever find the time or feel the need to practice? SG:
I don't have much time so I'll just keep the drums set up and available. Sometimes I feel like playing for an hour, and other times I play for five minutes. Once in awhile I'll use the Gladstone pad, or I might take out a pair of sticks and play on the arm of the couch. If I haven't
I've learned from all of them. Buddy and Elvin, for instance, play two very different styles, but both of them are great players. You can't help being influenced by people like Tony Williams. Sometimes I'll go into the studio and try to sound like somebody else because I know how good it will sound. AW:
You mention Buddy and Elvin. Do you find any noticeable difference between the playing of black drummers and white drummers? SG:
I t h i n k at one time there was somewhat of a noticeable difference, but not anymore. The main difference was with the time. Today, everybody is time conscious and I don't think it's a significant factor. A W :
How about the time concept of someone like Tony Williams? SG:
When Tony was with Miles and Herbie, he wasn't stating the time because he actually played over the bar line. But the time was still there. His solo concept is very free. His whole concept sounded great
Teaching requires just as much time and effort as playing. There are a thousand ways to ask one question and a thousand ways to answer it. You've got to have the time to understand your students problems and convey your ideas to really offer something. For now, I'd rather play. Maybe someday, but I don't think it would be fair right now. AW:
Have you ever thought how you might approach a teaching situation? SG:
I would approach each student as an i n d i v i d u a l . I don't believe there's one method. I'd have to see where each person was at and go from there. I wouldn't try to change anybody. How to approach the music is the key thing. You might come up with a way to play something somebody else played, with completely different sticking. You might try to duplicate it, but it's not necessary to duplicate it technically. It could open your head up to a whole new thing, based on another person's idea. AW:
You're going to be an influence on drummers coming up the same as Tony
"PEOPLE SEPARATE DRUMS FROM OTHER INSTRUMENTS. DRUMMERS THEMSELVES ARE AS MUCH A CAUSE OF THAT AS ANYBODY ELSE. THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD PLAYERS OUT THERE, BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOMEONE WHO'S A GOOD PLAYER, AND A GUY WHO'S A GOOD PLAYER AND A GOOD MUSICIAN."
played for a while, I'll do some warm-up things to loosen up. Singles, paradiddles, or double stroke rolls, either on the pad, or a closed hi-hat, or a chair. If I'm really t i g h t
I never warm up by playing everything fast. You strain when you do that, especially if you haven't played for a while. You should ease into it, not over exert. AW:
Have you learned from other drummers?
behind soloists. Back then, you hardly ever played one. It was the "an" of one, or the "an" of four anything but one. Now people play one again. But Tony was still playing the time. It might have been complicated for a non-musician to follow, but he knew where he was all the time. AW:
There are a lot of young drummers who would love the opportunity to study with you. Do you have any plans to teach? SG:
No, not until I have the time.
and Buddy and Elvin are influencing drummers today. How do you feel about that? Do you feel any special responsibility to young drummers? SG:
I never really thought about i t . If I am an influence, I hope I'm a good one. I don't play to be an influence on anyone. I feel a responsibility to the music I play. Let's say, being responsible to the music is the first step in accepting responsibility for people coming u p . Sure, you play the drums, but the main thing is to play the drums for the music, with the people in that particular situation. You can't go for yourself. There's some good music out there that can really open you up. And playing good time is very important, whether it's slow time, or hardly playing anything sometimes and leaving space. Put the bass drum on the back beat and on the money for five or ten minutes and try to keep it steady. A W :
Have you been influenced by many other musicians? SG:
You have to allow yourself to be influenced by everyone you play with. If you don't put yourself in that frame of mind, you could end up on the bandstand with that person, but not actually play with him. You can't go up there and play for yourself. You have to be ready to be with those people. For me, finding a way to make it flow helps m u s i c a l l y . Some rhythm sections might be into laying back more than others, so I can play more on top. You've got to be able to go either way continued on page 31