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freedom than others. Certain things can be looser than others, and it's something you always have to be aware of. I can have a good time with either one. There's always a way to find a part that really fits. There were some things with Steve's music where we kind of knew how it was going to change. We had music, so it wasn't completely loose — it was pretty structured. It's just another way of playing. AW:
How often do you actually run into drum parts? SG: A lot of Steve's music is written out. I'll read a lead sheet many times on Carly's things. The important thing is to know where the tune is going and how it phrases. My approach is to never have any preconceptions. I just try to be in the situation for the moment, the best I can. I try to play the music without putting my own initials on it. I approach everything by listening first and finding something to play without going in thinking that I'm going to play something before I get there. The music guides you. You can't put your eyes before your ears. The key thing that tells you what's happening, is listening. It's hearing. If someone writes a drum part that doesn't fit, it doesn't make any sense to play it. You have to find something that feels comfortable. AW:
Let's talk specifically about drums for a moment. What equipment are you using? SG:
At the moment I'm using a Gretsch bass drum with four Pearl concert toms. I use a 10" and 12" mounted on the bass, and a 13" and 14" on the floor. They're relatively small tom-toms compared to some of the guys in the studio. I don't really believe large drums are the answer anyway. When you tighten a large drum there is a tendency to choke it. With smaller sizes you can keep the heads loose and still get a nice, naturally high pitched drum. AW:
What about cymbals?
I use a combination of K and A Zildjian. One ride and one crash. I have a high pitched A with the big bell that blends very well. It's good for recording — very clean. I vary my cymbals depending on the date. It's a matter of what the tune is supposed to sound like and the style of the artist I'm playing for. For an R & B date, I'd probably use both. Sometimes I'll use a sizzle. Paul Simon occasionally likes that sizzle quality. Of course, the sound changes over a period of time. As cymbals get dirty, they take on a personality all their own. AW:
Do you have any particular preferences regarding the drum heads you use? SG: I prefer plastic heads. I haven't used calf in years. Not many guys are any longer. The temperature and the humidity effects the pitch drastically. I use Evans Hydraulic heads on the bass drum and on the tops of all my toms. I like the clear, Remo Ambassador heads on the bottoms. My snare drum has an Ambassador coated on the batter side, and a clear Diplomat on the snare side. AW:
You have some interesting opinions on muffling elaborate?
and tuning.
Can you
First, I prefer bottom heads on all the drums for greater control over the tone. Second, I don't believe in internal muffling. All muffling should be done externally. Those internal devices press up against the head and go against the natural movement of the head. I like using both
"ONE OF THE MOST MUSICAL APPROACHES IS TO SAY, "I DON'T REALLY HEAR ANY DRUMS ON IT. IT'S PRETTY THE WAY IT IS." NOT PLAYING SOMETIMES COULD MEAN YOU CAME UP WITH A REALLY GOOD PART, A VERY WISE MUSICAL DECISION."
heads because it offers the playing surface tension I prefer, without having to sacrifice pitch. When you want depth with a single head drum you really have to loosen up on the head. You lose the advantages of a firm batter surface. With the bottom head loose, you can still tighten the batter, and retain the desired pitch. For the bass drum, I use just a little padding inside and I put a weight on top so the padding fits real tight against the bottom part of the head. For the snare and tomtoms I use a little tape and tissue paper close to the rim. That's where all those overtones you don't want come from. When you hit the drum and put your hand over different spots on the head, you can tell where the overtones are coming from. AW:
Electronics and multiple drum setups seem to be gaining in popularity with many drummers. Are you inclined towards either? SG: Well, the Syndrums sound good. They're especially effective when you play one of them and a regular tom at the same time and use it to reinforce or obtain a different tone color.