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October 1978 - Modern Drummer - Steve Gadd

By Modern Drummer

04_October 1978

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Sep 28, 2026
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  • Playin' For The MusicStory and photos by Aran Wald Listen to the music in any fairly hip restaurant, you know, the warm, quilt-like security offered for diners in most of the places in Greenwich Village, or some of the musician hangouts on the upper westside of Manhattan. More than likely you'll hear a heady sampling of Carly Simon, Carol King, Patti Austin, Phoebe Snow, Paul Simon, the latest Chuck Mangione sweetness, Nancy Wilson crying some, or even Chick Corea, Joe Farrell, and of course George Benson. What do you find most striking besides the artist? The rhythm section, right? It is Steve Gadd's distinct, sensitive, percussive style backing these leading artists, making him among the busiest drummers in New York, the United States, perhaps the world. Because of the man's frenetic schedule, any kind of interview has proven difficult to obtain. I cornered Steve during a series of recording sessions for a Japanese keyboardist who specified "Steve Gadd" on all contract sheets. I sat through two or three sessions, taking photos when I could, and trying my utmost to be unobtrusive. On the way from one of those sessions to the Local 802 office, Steve realized I was walking a few steps behind and we decided to cab it to his loft housed in the fur district ofdowntown New York City. His place is large and completely fixtured. His studio neatly tucked away in, what was formerly, the safe. The massive door and combination lock remains intact. During the two hour plus interview, Steve asked me to look at a videotape he had made in Rochester. In a few short minutes the taped Gadd had run down the entire book of drumming. His solos were a course in Latin, rock, changing tempo . . . and he wasn't taking it all in his stride either. The man works when he plays, concentrating as he flails. And he does it all almost perfectly.
  • Page 4I DON'T PLAY TO BE AN INFLUENCE ON ANYONE. I FEEL A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE MUSIC I PLAY. LET'S SAY, BEING RESPONSIBLE TO THE MUSIC IS THE FIRST STEP IN ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY FOR PEOPLE COMING UP." SG:
  • Page 5freedom than others. Certain things can be looser than others, and it's something you always have to be aware of. I can have a good time with either one. There's always a way to find a part that really fits. There were some things with Steve's music where we kind of knew how it was going to change. We had music, so it wasn't completely loose — it was pretty structured. It's just another way of playing. AW: How often do you actually run into drum parts? SG: A lot of Steve's music is written out. I'll read a lead sheet many times on Carly's things. The important thing is to know where the tune is going and how it phrases. My approach is to never have any preconceptions. I just try to be in the situation for the moment, the best I can. I try to play the music without putting my own initials on it. I approach everything by listening first and finding something to play without going in thinking that I'm going to play something before I get there. The music guides you. You can't put your eyes before your ears. The key thing that tells you what's happening, is listening. It's hearing. If someone writes a drum part that doesn't fit, it doesn't make any sense to play it. You have to find something that feels comfortable. AW:
  • Page 6I t h i n k multiple drum set-ups would probably be a lot of fun to do, but I'm not in a situation where I have to do it. Perhaps as a leader I would, but there's not much call for it in the studio. AW: Is there a certain stick you use regularly? SG:
  • Page 7PRESENTING THE RIGHT SOUND, THE RIGHT RESPONSE, THAT'S JUST RIGHT FOR YOU.
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  • Page 10ROY BURNS TALKS ABOUT PROFESSIONAL DRUM TUNING TECHNIQUES AND ROGERS. "More than ever before, drummers are becoming aware of how precision tuning can improve their over-all sound. As staff artist for Rogers, I give about 100 drum clinics every year. And everywhere I go, I get more and more questions about tuning. One fundamental thing to remember about tuning is the importance of ° drum construction. If it tends to go out of round, trying to tune it is like trying to tune a guitar with a warped neck. Also, more often than not, when it is out of round, the bearing edges won't be level. And unless the bearing edge is level, it's virtually impossible to accurately control the evenness of head tension. Roy Burns. World-acclaimed drummer and Rogers Staff Artist. He is the house drummer for the Monterey Jazz Festival and has appeared with a wide variety of stars including Woody Herman, Benny Goodman, Charlie Mingus, Phil Upchurch, Lionel Hampton and John Lewis. Roy has also played for a number of TV shows with the NBC Staff Orchestra and is the author of 13 books on drumming, two teaching albums and a correspondence course for hand development.
  • Page 11That's one of the distinct advantages of Rogers. The shells are made of prime maple, five layers thick for strength. And each layer is cross laminated to ensure that the drum stays round. What's more Rogers makes drums with a precise l/16th bearing edge that stays level for easier tuning and freer head vibration. One question that frequently comes up in my clinics is about tuning single vs. double headed toms. I find that the best approach for double headed toms is to keep the bottom head slightly looser than the top. This tunes out some unnecessary ring and allows you to play comfortably on a medium-tensioned top head. It also gives you a deep full sound that is also clear. With single headed toms you start by tensioning the head evenly all around at each tension screw. Then loosen the two screws at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock between one quarter turn to one full turn. This gives a funky sound without too much muffling. It used to be that muffling of drums was sometimes substituted for good tuning. Today, however, the trend is to achieve a penetrating sound by precise tuning instead. The basic objective is to make each stroke sound more definite without overlapping ring. Too much muffling just kills the sound and shortens the length of each beat. You know, muffling is like seasoning food — a little is great but too much will ruin a good meal! Again, Rogers comes through with equipment that helps in muffling. Its external Super X mufflers move with the head, instead of against it. In that way you eliminate the ring without reducing volume. In tuning a snare the trick is to make the bottom head moderately tight no matter what kind of music you play, and adjust the top head to the individual situation. For rock music, you usually keep the top head relatively loose for a more funky sound. Big band drummers keep it somewhat tighter at a medium tension level for a sharper, more high pitched sound. The thing to remember in tuning a snare is that once you adjust the bottom head properly, leave it alone and make all your adjustments on the top head. The snare tension is also important in tuning a snare. The snares should float on the bottom head to give clarity without choking. With the Rogers Dynasonic snare you get two ways to adjust the snare unit —one adjustment lets you tension the snares lengthwise and a second allows you to raise or lower the frame for just the right amount of contact against the bottom head. With proper tuning of your drums you can get the sound you want with less physical effort. And when you play more relaxed, your timing is more accurate, your endurance is increased and you can play more creatively."
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I DON'T PLAY TO BE AN INFLUENCE ON ANYONE. I FEEL A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE MUSIC I PLAY. LET'S SAY, BEING RESPONSIBLE TO THE MUSIC IS THE FIRST STEP IN ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY FOR PEOPLE COMING UP."

The band has a really unique sound. The music is very relaxed. We don't force the music to get tense, it just gains momentum by itself. And everybody gets a chance to play. AW:

Does the fact that the band uses two drummers ever get in your way or cause any problems musically? SG:

Well, I wouldn't want to play with two drummers all the time, but sometimes it's fun. When we do it for a long time, you have to make some changes. You can't play all the things you'd like to play. You can do it during a solo, but other than that, you really have to lock in with the other drummer. At first it was awkward, but we're used to it and comfortable with it now. We knew how it felt when the band had one drummer, but after playing with two for awhile, we just couldn't do it with one. AW:

Did you and Chris (Parker) initially work out who would play solos and who would play rhythm? SG:

No. We trade solos. Sometimes I'll play light time and Chris solos, or he'll play time and I'll solo. We listen, and try not to get in anybody's way. The band sounds like a very simple combination, but that simplicity is one of the hardest things to accomplish. To leave out unnecessary notes and still build a good foundation. AW:

How did the whole thing start?

Well, the band was working at a club called "Mikells" in New York. I was living upstate in Woodstock at the time, but I was in town three days a week and I would stop by. The band wasn't even known as Stuff back then; it was just some guys getting together and playing. Chris was playing steady with the band and one night I asked Chris and Gordon if I could play. From then on Chris and I started alternating nights. The band started to become well-known even before we had a record deal. It wasn't planned . . . it just happened. AW:

Stuff obviously isn't a living for you. Your living is made in the studios, is it not? SG:

It's a combination of all the things I'm doing. In order for one thing to be a living, it has to be set up right, business wise. That's being worked on now.

There's a myriad of people out there who make a living recording and playing tours. Do you think that could happen for Stuff? SG:

Yes, I do. I think the band has a great potential. I think it has a future in concerts, along with a lot of other possibilities. We performed in Japan recently and did very well. AW:

Do you think the addition of a lead singer would make the band even more popular? SG:

I think the band has gone over well by itself and behind other people. They're all guys who have experience in the studio and they know when not to overplay.

Do you want to stay in studio work? Do you ever get the desire to go out on the road and play? SG:

Actually I get a chance to do a little bit of both right now. I'm doing dates, live playing and record promotion tours. I've done some things with Mike Manieri and David Spinozza. David opens for Carly Simon and right there are two very different types of playing. AW:

Some of the best playing I heard you do was with Steve Kahn's band when you opened for Maynard Ferguson. SG:

When you're in the studio as much as I am, you don't often get a chance to do that kind of thing. A lot of people don't get a chance to hear you. Not every situation gives you the same opportunity to stretch out. The music was good and the whole thing was well put together. I can have fun laying back and playing too, as long as the music makes sense. AW:

When you do a show for people like Paul Simon, Carly Simon or Stuff, do you ever find yourself thinking you have to be more structured as opposed to when you're playing with someone like Steve Kahn, who lets you stretch out more? SG:

On Paul's tour, some of the things we did were tunes he'd recorded before with other people. I played on his new album and when we did it, everybody put their heads together and Paul kind of guided it. Everybody contributed to the things we did in the studio, so I didn't have to go in and copy someone else. With Steve, the concert was structured like some of the things we had done on the album. Naturally, some people allow you more